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Mr. COLLIER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS

Senatore PASTORE. If there is nothing further the subcommittee will stand in recess until the call of the Chair.

[Whereupon, at 3:40 p.m., Tuesday, April 27, the subcommittee was recessed, to reconvene at the call of the Chair.)

DEPARTMENTS OF STATE, JUSTICE, COMMERCE, AND THE JUDICIARY AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 1977

TUESDAY, MAY 18, 1976

U.S. SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 10:05 a.m., in room S-128, the Capitol, Hon. John O. Pastore (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Pastore, Magnuson, Huddleston, and Hruska.

LEGAL SERVICES CORPORATION

STATEMENT OF THOMAS EHRLICH, PRESIDENT

ACCOMPANIED BY:

ROGER C. CRAMTON, DEAN, CORNELL LAW SCHOOL, AND CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF LEGAL SER

VICES CORPORATION ALFRED CORBETT, DIRECTOR OF PROGRAM PLANNING E. CLINTON BAMBERGER, JR., EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT JUDITH RIGGS, DIRECTOR, GOVERNMENT RELATIONS

BUDGET REQUEST

Senator PASTORE. The subcommittee will come to order.

The first witness today will be Thomas Ehrlich, President of the Legal Services Corporation. The 1977 budget request for the Legal Services Corporation is $140.3 million. The House allowed $110 million, a reduction of $30.3 million below the request of the Legal Services Corporation.

The Corporation has reassessed its budget and while it believes the restoration of the full $30.3 million can be justified, it is taking a realistic view and is appealing for restoration of the highest priority $20 million.

Will you give us your justification for that decision?
Mr. EHRLICH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

INTRODUCTION OF ASSOCIATES

Let me, if I might, first introduce Mr. Roger Cramton, who is Chairman of the Board of the Corporation.

Mr. CRAMTON. Mr. Chairman, thank you. When we were here a year ago the Corporation, as you recall, was getting started. The

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Board of Directors had just been appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

We were just getting organized. We had virtually no staff. We were learning about a program that is nationwide in scope. We have come a long way since then. We have a going operation. The whole program is infused with new energy and life. I think we have made excellent use of the funds appropriated last year.

Moreover, what we have done in terms of staff has been astounding. We have acquired a really extraordinary staff headed by, I think, the best person in the country to do this jobMr. Ehrlich.

Next to him is Clinton Bamberger, Jr., the Executive Vice President.

With that brief word of welcome on behalf for the Board of Directors, Mr. Ehrlich will give you the justification of the appropriation request that the Board of Directors has unanimously supported after very

full and careful consideration. Mr. EHRLICH. Also with me is Mr. Alfred Corbett, who is the Director of our Program Planning Office, and Judith Riggs, who is Director of our Government Relations Office.

PREPARED STATEMENT AND COMMUNICATION

The subcommittee has our budget request for fiscal year 1977, as well as my prepared statement. I hope, Mr. Chairman, that that statement may be submitted for the record and that I may at this point simply focus briefly on the importance of this enterprise, and particularly on its needs for increased funding.

Senator PASTORE. Without objection, your prepared statement and appeal letter will be inserted at this point.

Mr. EHRLICH. Thank you.
(The statement and letter follows:]

Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee:

I welcome this opportunity to discuss with you some of the major

recent activities of the Legal Services Corporation; our plans for carrying out the mandate of Congress to help ensure "equal access to the system of

justice in our nation ...."; and our justification for the funding requests

we believe essential to achieve that goal.

At the outset, let me express our appreciation for your support of

our supplemental appropriation for fiscal year, 1976. The $4.3 million that the Senate has now approved will enable us to move forward with the

alternative delivery systems study mandated by Congress and will permit us to continue migrant and community action legal services programs, which had been supported with Department of Labor and Section 221 local initiative

funds. The Subcommittee's approval of the supplemental appropriation indicates your commitment to legal services for the poor and we are grateful.

We are troubled because Congress did not add funds to strengthen the Section 221 programs, but we hope that the fiscal year 1977 appropriation

will include substantial additional funds to meet that need.

As you know, the House Appropriations Subcommittee on State, Justice, Commerce, and the Judiciary approved $110 million of the Corporation's request for $140.3 million in the 1977 'fiscal year. That is a significant move toward a more adequate level of funding for the Corporation.

Unfortunately, it leaves us with little if any room to begin funding new legal

aid programs in the many towns, cities, and counties in almost every state where there is no legal assistance for the poor. We are here today to ask you

to increase that appropriation substantially.

I will highlight the major features of our budget request in this

opening statement and, of course, I am prepared to answer any questions. First, however, a few general comments about the Corporation and its responsibilities may be helpful.

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